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Posting pictures

Last post by FV80 « June 18th, 2015, 2:08 pm
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by FV80 » June 18th, 2015, 2:08 pm » in General Discussion

It is now possible to post pictures and other attachments on this forum. I would, however, suggest that, if the picture(s) is/are already posted...

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June 18th, 2015, 2:08 pm
Board ANNOUNCEMENT ! and DONATIONS ...

Last post by BLS « December 10th, 2023, 1:29 pm
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by FV80 » April 21st, 2015, 3:07 pm » in General Discussion

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This board has been moved from its old host and admin to a new location.

I realize that some aspects of this board have been .. not up to par in...

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Hi Dietmar,

I figure that is the case. With ApexSpeed being so big it's where people tend to go for internet info. Nice place, but as far as...

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Rear Axle Seal kit and leaks.

Last post by BLS « May 23rd, 2024, 6:37 pm
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by Dietmar » May 22nd, 2024, 2:07 am

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I have been asked by some newbies lately about the rear axle seal kit, the components, and why some leak. So here is my take on the topic.

A seal...

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Thanks Dietmar, good information!

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May 23rd, 2024, 6:37 pm
balancing

Last post by BLS « April 20th, 2024, 4:41 pm
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by Dietmar » April 19th, 2024, 2:28 pm

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Topic on Apex about wheel weights so I thought I would throw this in.
Steve mentioned balancing on the car. This is something that I have done for...

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Good info, thanks Dietmar!

I also balanced on the car back in the old days . I recall you mentioning the extra spindle and drum once before. Good...

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April 20th, 2024, 4:41 pm
oil coolers

Last post by BLS « June 18th, 2023, 8:14 pm
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by Dietmar » June 15th, 2023, 1:39 pm

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Just thought I would pass on some info - in case some do not know.

STOCK Type 1 oil coolers for the 36 or 40hp fan shroud now have a slightly...

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Thanks for the info, Dietmar.

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June 18th, 2023, 8:14 pm
Blood on the car...

Last post by BLS « December 23rd, 2021, 8:32 pm
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by BLS » December 22nd, 2021, 9:54 pm

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I've read in the past that something isn't truly yours until you've bled on it :) It's not the first time my car has drawn blood, but it's the first...

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Sad situation when the most participated class historically and still near the top is shuffled into oblivion. I know there are regional participation...

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December 23rd, 2021, 8:32 pm
Steering wheel / front tire angle

Last post by BLS « December 6th, 2021, 9:30 pm
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by BLS » December 5th, 2021, 11:13 pm

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I am back to working on my car and hope to get it on the track in 2022. Several of my modifications I have lost some of my notes about. Prior to...

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Heh, no promises but I am going to give it a try. Haven't retired, but finally have the beach house in pretty good shape. That's been a lot of work,...

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December 6th, 2021, 9:30 pm
Proposed new rules for 2022 that apply to FV

Last post by FV80 « August 11th, 2021, 3:07 pm

by FV80 » August 11th, 2021, 3:07 pm

Was just looking over the rules proposals for NEXT YEAR and thought I would post the ones that apply to FV .. at least for the moment (August,...

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August 11th, 2021, 3:07 pm
Transmission oil

Last post by FV80 « January 17th, 2020, 12:18 pm
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by Amberpowerpack » January 16th, 2020, 11:51 pm

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New to this group and years ago I heard some used ATF as trans oil. Any truth and what weight is used?

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Robert,
That is definitely TRUE.. However, IMHO the gain provided is NOT enough to warrant putting anything into your gearbox other than good ole...

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January 17th, 2020, 12:18 pm
Spark Plug Recommendation

Last post by sharplikestump « December 5th, 2019, 12:12 am
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by pickupjoeb » May 12th, 2019, 1:28 pm

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I'm looking for plug recommendations for a 1964 FV Vintage 1200

It has autolite 414 in the engine now and I'm looking to use a Bosh or Ngk plug and...

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For what it's worth......AND, while this applied a few decades back, I do not know that it is the same situation today:
While all of the plugs have a...

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December 5th, 2019, 12:12 am
FV Spec Tire rules relaxed .. some

Last post by GrahamLoughead35 « February 22nd, 2019, 4:57 pm
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by FV80 » February 22nd, 2019, 10:37 am

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This has just been posted by SCCA in the PRELIMINARY Minutes for March...

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1. #26284 (Club Racing Board ) FV Allow non-spec tire in Regional...

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We also have multiple sets of nice slicks including a brand NEW set for sale. I am sure we can make a deal if any regional guys are looking.

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Last post by GrahamLoughead35
February 22nd, 2019, 4:57 pm
Speedsport Disc Brake Installation

Last post by BLS « February 2nd, 2019, 11:43 pm
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by jphoenix » January 31st, 2019, 9:51 pm

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I received my disc brake kit from Al Varacins lat week and finished installing them over the weekend. I created a page on my website detailing the...

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Thanks for the pics Jim, looks good.

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Last post by BLS
February 2nd, 2019, 11:43 pm
FV Intake Manifold Measurements 2018

Last post by FV80 « January 24th, 2019, 7:47 pm
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by FV80 » September 9th, 2018, 9:34 am

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Intake manifolds haven't been mentioned here since 2016 I think, so I'm starting a new thread. This is from the Preliminary October Fasttrack Minutes...

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Didn't mean to imply that .. just that manifold DQ can happen and why test it if there's no need?

Honestly, I don't KNOW why the 2 manifolds were...

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January 24th, 2019, 7:47 pm
Brake thought for the month.

Last post by FV80 « January 3rd, 2018, 6:50 pm
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by brian » June 18th, 2013, 3:34 pm

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Bleeding brakes is probably the most critical and most misunderstood process in the brake world. Drum brakes are more demanding than discs about...

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...I was using one of those bleeder devices with the check valve....
I have tried those 'auto-bleeders' as well and also found that they leaked air...

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Last post by FV80
January 3rd, 2018, 6:50 pm
Cam Wear

Last post by sharplikestump « December 28th, 2017, 5:25 pm
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by satterley_sr » May 25th, 2011, 5:09 pm
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Just discoverd the cause of low power ( really low, about 35 hp on the dyno). Turns out the valves are only opening about .150 . haven't cracked it...

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Whole lot of theorizing going on here. Simple fact: It's the oil. I believe it is the EPA that is dictating the new standard because of the supposed...
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Last post by sharplikestump
December 28th, 2017, 5:25 pm
Ackerman

Last post by BLS « June 11th, 2017, 4:23 pm
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by jphoenix » December 5th, 2014, 10:12 pm

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This past season I spent most of my time at the track adjusting my suspension. I read all the threads on this forum, the Schings book and other...

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You need to study ackerman first, just search it. Then you will understand the answer to your question better, which is that yes, you must modify...

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Last post by BLS
June 11th, 2017, 4:23 pm
Engine oil Viscosity

Last post by hardingfv32 « August 29th, 2016, 12:22 pm
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by fvracer27 » June 3rd, 2013, 9:34 pm
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What are most using for our engines?

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[quote= brian We've know each other, what 25 years? I'll compare my results and junk pile to yours anytime, I'm out (mike drop)

Well now thats how...
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Last post by hardingfv32
August 29th, 2016, 12:22 pm
FV Intake Manifold Rules Clarification July 2016

Last post by brian « August 20th, 2016, 2:01 pm
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by Mike Kochanski » July 27th, 2016, 10:13 pm

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Below is a letter I wrote to the SCCA CRB on February 10, 2016 asking for a rules clarification regarding color on the exterior surface of the...

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Hang on folks the revised AD Hoc committee will have greater authority than ever before and will have access to all the letters. Get your pens out....

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Last post by brian
August 20th, 2016, 2:01 pm
Spindle Checking device

Last post by FV80 « May 2nd, 2016, 3:03 pm
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by FV80 » April 4th, 2016, 9:57 am

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As I was checking one of my spindles yesterday, I thought I should share my 'device' info with the group - then I remembered I already did some time...

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I'll need to see the inside of your toolboxes the next time we cross paths. :)
Sd

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Last post by FV80
May 2nd, 2016, 3:03 pm
Transponder location

Last post by smsazzy « March 28th, 2016, 9:52 pm
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by Bob Posner » March 14th, 2016, 7:50 pm

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Any rule as to where the transponder must be located? Will the signal pass through fiberglass ? Thanks

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Mine goes through the fiberglass on the bottom of my nose cone. Never had an issue.

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Last post by smsazzy
March 28th, 2016, 9:52 pm
Attaching speed sensor pickup

Last post by jphoenix « March 8th, 2016, 4:07 pm
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by jphoenix » March 4th, 2016, 6:26 pm

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Where and how is the best method for attaching an AIM speed sensor and magnet. I saw one vee that has the pickup attached to the right front brake...

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Yes, noisy signal, rpm fluctuation due to noise.

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Last post by jphoenix
March 8th, 2016, 4:07 pm
Carbotech brake shoes

Last post by brian « February 18th, 2016, 5:03 pm
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by jphoenix » February 16th, 2016, 10:08 pm

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Are carbotechs currently the preferred brake shoe? I'm running Porterfields now and seem to work fine, but not cheap. Neither are Carbotechs, but...

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I could not find any info on brake shoes. This web site is all disc pads

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Last post by brian
February 18th, 2016, 5:03 pm
P2 leading arm

Last post by Bob Posner « February 11th, 2016, 6:53 pm
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by jphoenix » February 9th, 2016, 10:55 pm

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Anyone know if the P3 leading arms are identical to the P2 leading arms? We have a new guy here with a P2 that needs a replacement leading arm, old...

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Try Bob Williams who you met last summer at the ridge he has a p3. I'm gone til Monday if you need contact info

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Last post by Bob Posner
February 11th, 2016, 6:53 pm
Transaxle ratio spreadsheet

Last post by jphoenix « February 6th, 2016, 11:00 pm
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by jphoenix » February 5th, 2016, 6:39 pm

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I found the posts that describe turning the wheel 10 revs and counting the input shaft to determine the gear ratio, but the links to the spreadsheet...

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That's great, thanks Steve.

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Last post by jphoenix
February 6th, 2016, 11:00 pm
Forged Pistons

Last post by brian « January 25th, 2016, 5:51 pm
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by FVartist42 » June 9th, 2015, 4:32 pm

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Since there is a problem acquiring pistons with the proper ring groove width, what is the problem with a forged piston designed to our...

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yea, I'm dyslexic and mess up writing numbers occasionally. Two and a half thousands to four and a half thousands.

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Last post by brian
January 25th, 2016, 5:51 pm
Leading arm attachment

Last post by jpetillo « November 6th, 2015, 9:53 am
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by jphoenix » October 3rd, 2015, 1:34 pm
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Here's another question for the FV folks who would know: I saw this axle flange arrangement on an FV (Protoform I think) and I was wondering what the...

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I guess I am assuming that some weight is transferred across via the spring. If there is an upward push on the outside tire doesn't that translate to...
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Last post by jpetillo
November 6th, 2015, 9:53 am
Suspension travel

Last post by hardingfv32 « October 4th, 2015, 12:50 pm
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by jphoenix » October 2nd, 2015, 5:37 pm

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I watched Michael Varacins win the runoffs - what a great race that was!

I was looking at the amount of ground clearance on his car - significantly...

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Generally you want the car as low as possible... but then there are always some compromises to be made.

1) The rear height is really dictated by the...

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Last post by hardingfv32
October 4th, 2015, 12:50 pm
Polishing transmission gears

Last post by hardingfv32 « October 3rd, 2015, 9:45 pm
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by brian » September 28th, 2015, 2:35 pm

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As always, there were a lot of conversations about rules and cars at the runoffs. One of these conversations concerned polishing or REM treatment of...

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1) I never said the the carb modification was legal before the rule change. What I did say was that a simple radius makes all carb tops equal. That...

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Last post by hardingfv32
October 3rd, 2015, 9:45 pm
Brake drum wheel stud conversion

Last post by brian « June 30th, 2015, 1:23 pm
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by FVartist42 » June 29th, 2015, 4:08 pm

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Does anyone know a wheel stud that can be used on our drums for standard and the ones that have been drilled to put in heli-coils? I've heard of a...

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Bugformance carries press in studs I use. They require drilling out the drum to fit the studs and the studs have a flange that needs to be cut down a...

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Last post by brian
June 30th, 2015, 1:23 pm
Tranny options for Daytona

Last post by FV80 « June 9th, 2015, 10:44 pm
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by brian » June 9th, 2015, 5:15 pm

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Congrats and thanks to Stephen for all his hard work on the forum.

Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations for Daytona transmission choice?

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A short box won't work (unless your engine can pull WELL beyond 7 grand with AUTHORITY.... without a tow). Anything else you have should be...

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Last post by FV80
June 9th, 2015, 10:44 pm
Making a New body for my FV

Last post by jphoenix « March 23rd, 2015, 8:32 pm
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by jphoenix » March 19th, 2015, 12:32 pm

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I increased the wheelbase of my modified Caracal C (actually a Brian R Mcarthy creation) to provide another inch of legroom. The wheelbase is now...

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Good points Steve, I measured the WB with car up on the stand, front suspension hanging by the limit cables. I think (but not sure, need to get the...

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Last post by jphoenix
March 23rd, 2015, 8:32 pm
Beehive Valve Springs

Last post by satterley_sr « December 10th, 2014, 11:14 pm
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by satterley_sr » November 24th, 2014, 9:30 pm
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Anyone running the beehive valve springs and if so where did you get them? Thanks

Dave

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Brian

thanks for the info.

Dave
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Last post by satterley_sr
December 10th, 2014, 11:14 pm
Brake shoes

Last post by FVartist42 « September 23rd, 2014, 3:08 pm

by FVartist42 » September 23rd, 2014, 3:08 pm

I was notified of a brake shoe, where they were of a reasonable cost. I along with a few others have found them to work reasonably well. We will be...

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Last post by FVartist42
September 23rd, 2014, 3:08 pm
carb repair

Last post by Dietmar « June 27th, 2014, 2:05 am
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by zink29 » June 25th, 2014, 3:13 pm

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I have a carb that leaks gas around the throttle shaft. I am seeking a source to bush the throttle shaft.

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I f interested' give me a call after Sunday-on the road
Dietmar

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Last post by Dietmar
June 27th, 2014, 2:05 am
AV Gas

Last post by jphoenix « June 21st, 2014, 3:03 pm
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by bobc » June 20th, 2014, 3:54 pm

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After my local airport refused to sell me gas citing a FAA ruling I decided to do something. The first step to file a Federal lawsuite is to send a...

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Our local airport said that they cannot knowingly sell fuel for non-aviation purposes, but advised (wink, wink) that the self-service pumps were open...

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Last post by jphoenix
June 21st, 2014, 3:03 pm
Citation Setup recommendations

Last post by BLS « May 23rd, 2014, 11:13 pm
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by BLS » May 22nd, 2014, 1:26 am

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Checking my alignment and attempting to get a good starting point for the rear zero roll setup.

I have the front toe set at 3/32, the rear toe is...

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Larry, Thank for the information you sent. It will be very helpful.

Dave, good point on the spring. I figured I would start with it since it was...

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Last post by BLS
May 23rd, 2014, 11:13 pm
CRB - Disk Brakes

Last post by brian « May 20th, 2014, 2:13 pm
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by hardingfv32-1 » May 11th, 2014, 12:12 pm

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In the CRB's recommendation to approve disk brakes:

Where are the wheels to be used referenced?

Brian

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There seems to be some confusion regarding the status of the disc brake proposal so let me take a couple of lines for explanation.
The proposal has...

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Last post by brian
May 20th, 2014, 2:13 pm
disc brake survey

Last post by brian « March 17th, 2014, 2:43 pm

by brian » March 17th, 2014, 2:43 pm

In this month's Fastrack at SCCA.com asking for a yes or no input on the possibility of adding disc brakes to vees,

Here's the text that appeared in...

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March 17th, 2014, 2:43 pm
warning. dont do this

Last post by sharplikestump « March 8th, 2014, 4:49 am
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by kidkoh » October 6th, 2009, 5:46 pm

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I got a motor that was in great shape it was never touched inside and it only had about 60,000 miles. I thought is would be a great spare motor but...

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The AS41 VW case. (What most are probably using) is Mag alloy AS41 (4% aluminum and 1% Silicon) thus AS41.
Lots of acids will destroy it fast....

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Last post by sharplikestump
March 8th, 2014, 4:49 am
Temperature Warning Light

Last post by FV80 « March 4th, 2014, 4:44 pm
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by WilkmanRacing » March 2nd, 2014, 3:29 pm

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Does have any experience hooking up a warning light that can be programmed to come on at a preset temperature?

Bill Wilkman

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You are correct - not adjustable, but a warning light nonetheless... maybe it's already the right temperature :lol:
I was surprised at how...

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Last post by FV80
March 4th, 2014, 4:44 pm
Cleaning engine case

Last post by SR Racing « February 14th, 2014, 4:59 pm
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by bobc » February 13th, 2014, 9:38 am

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What is the best way to get a case really clean. I understand that you can not hot tank them. Is this correct?

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If you want to clean the Mag/Al case back to a almost pure white, mix muriatic acid with about 5 parts water.. Put it in a disposable spray bottle....

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Last post by SR Racing
February 14th, 2014, 4:59 pm
New Head-n-neck system

Last post by BLS « February 13th, 2014, 4:13 pm
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by Jeremy Soule » February 13th, 2014, 3:30 pm

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There is a new head and neck system coming out from Zamp Racing, wwww.zamp-racing.com (click auto then the neck tech icon) it looks good in the...

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Looks like another copy of the Hans except for adjustment. I'm going to guess they'll loose in court...

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Last post by BLS
February 13th, 2014, 4:13 pm
Bleedin' clutch slave...

Last post by BLS « February 8th, 2014, 1:54 am
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by BLS » July 14th, 2013, 6:51 pm

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That title can be taken as a derogatory comment or a question. It's both.

New Wilwood master cyl, new line, used clutch slave cyl. The line is AN4...

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I had forgotten to update this just in case anyone does a search with similar problem.

I replaced the clutch slave cylinder with a new one, found a...

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Last post by BLS
February 8th, 2014, 1:54 am
FV Side Intrusion Panels

Last post by problemchild « January 24th, 2014, 9:36 am

by problemchild » January 24th, 2014, 9:36 am

There was a thread on Apexspeed about side protection that had a lot of interest from FV drivers.
It got buried amongst some hotter issues. Here was...

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Last post by problemchild
January 24th, 2014, 9:36 am
Retro Letter 2004 or Why SCCA System Sucks

Last post by jhenn4716 « December 14th, 2013, 2:02 am
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by problemchild » October 10th, 2013, 9:55 am

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I was looking for some bio material and found this correspondance on my PC.

JANUARY 12, 2004
To: SCCA Club Racing Competition Board
From: Greg...

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Interesting that I hear all this talk about part shortages, but nobody buys parts when I list them for sale. After investing and storing for...

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Last post by jhenn4716
December 14th, 2013, 2:02 am
Clutch lever

Last post by jphoenix « December 13th, 2013, 12:11 pm
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by jphoenix » December 7th, 2013, 9:09 pm

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The clutch lever on my transaxle has almost fallen off. From the marks, it appears to have been in this position for some time. I quick tap with a...

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It's a 15 mm circlip, got a pack of 5 from McMaster.

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Last post by jphoenix
December 13th, 2013, 12:11 pm
Broken Fins

Last post by FV80 « November 25th, 2013, 11:51 pm
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by leftwingorange » November 25th, 2013, 10:44 pm

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I am getting ready to install a recently rebuilt motor and noticed that there are two broken fins on cylinder 3. Each broken piece is about 2 inches...

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Bottom fins should be no issue. The larger the fin, the greater impact it might have. Also depends on how much is broken off. If the missing part is...

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Last post by FV80
November 25th, 2013, 11:51 pm
77MM Pistons?

Last post by sharplikestump « October 24th, 2013, 7:36 pm
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by Veefan » January 25th, 2011, 2:16 pm
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I'm selling some spare parts on e-bay, one item I have listed is a set of 77mm .020 over pistons.

Providing all the below rules are met, shouldn't...

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Flexing? Are we talking about the crank bending or twisting along it's axis? Bending

I think the front pulleys crack do to twisting. There is a...
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Last post by sharplikestump
October 24th, 2013, 7:36 pm
Mounting tires tips

Last post by Hal « October 7th, 2013, 3:11 pm
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by gdavis » October 1st, 2013, 8:34 am

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I have one of those manual Chinese tire changers and am going to attempt to flip my tires using it. I know that with our short, stiff sidewalls,...

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I've found a thin coat of white lithium grease on the wheel and the tire bead (then some tire lube) helps greatly in getting the tire on easier and...

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Last post by Hal
October 7th, 2013, 3:11 pm
Av Gas & regular gas mix?

Last post by brian « October 2nd, 2013, 12:44 am
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by gdavis » September 25th, 2013, 10:51 am

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How advisable would it be to run a 50/50 mixture of regular unleaded pump fuel with avgas? I have heard that our engines actually produce a bit more...

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I agree with Greg. The only race gas company that uses it's own refineries is Shell. They say it makes a difference and I'm inclined to agree....

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Last post by brian
October 2nd, 2013, 12:44 am
Micro SD card size

Last post by gdavis « September 26th, 2013, 10:48 am
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by gdavis » September 23rd, 2013, 3:57 pm

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I just purchased an Emerson HD Action video camera(EVC 355) and was wondering if I could get some advice as to what size micro sd card(s) I would...

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Thanks for the advice Steve and FV22.

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Last post by gdavis
September 26th, 2013, 10:48 am
Rear Control Arm Sheathing

Last post by smsazzy « August 30th, 2013, 8:16 pm
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by hardingfv32-1 » August 30th, 2013, 1:44 pm

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Opinions....

With the new body work rule for next year, what is going to be the status of the sheathing now found on many rear control arms and...

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If it moves independent of the chassis, it cannot be called bodywork. thus, unless you have some kind of other interpretation, it would not be legal.

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August 30th, 2013, 8:16 pm

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